Dust: The site is flushing down the drain IMO
Hummingbird: and refreshed for a few of them
Pegasus: What annoyed me last year is I didn't even get a trophy for find the feast :|
Danger: it was different though
Murgy: Yeah, I've been back for months and nothing has changed in the time that I've been active onsite
Aquari: may be not weekly eventss but what about monthly events besides acros
Requiem: we've had a couple scavenger hunts
Pegasus: All that work for nothing
Florence: I mean, I like it when the events come out because it motivates people to come on. ^^
Riyo: how did the scavenger hunt work
Murgy: The events are nice, sure.
Riyo: you just go talk to NPCs?
Salt: But it's a temp fix flo D:
Murgy: But there's very little substance to them, I think.
Danger: Take a hint, go to a NPC or a place, get the charm
Requiem: I liked the easter one because it was hard o:
ThornlessRose: Pegasus, we had an event for every holiday between here and Christmas
Danger: the easter one was fantastic
ThornlessRose: The easter event.
Graveyardfox: How about just something in the dang summer? I really expected another comet festival to take off the wait but nope.
Salt: We need something for everyday! Not just spend 48 hours during this two weeks clicking madly away. :c
Hummingbird: ^^^^^
Murgy: It's true; NCP needs something, you give them a ton of that thing, they give you a prize.
Hummingbird: the easter event was gr8
Danger: All our holiday activites are super boring
Riyo: Rose - again those events amount to nothing but refreshing the page a lot
Danger: Literally people come on to get eggs
ThornlessRose: Riyo, it's still better than what we had in the past, is it not?
Riyo: Murgy - so basically quests with useless rewards?
Danger: What we had in the past was still refreshing
Murgy: It's a slight improvement, but that doesn't mean it's particularly "good"
Riyo: Rose - uh no it's exactly the same as what we've had in the past
Pegasus: Honestly I liked the halloween event last year
Murgy: Yes, Riy, yes.
Pegasus: It was fun
Salt: There's going to be something like an atquati seasonal event during the summer in works
Danger: yes salt
Danger: plz
ThornlessRose: It was different, there was reason to refreshing. Reason to go places, etc.
Salt: I liked it until the end was just lol bye sis cya next year i'll rip ye throat out then.
Graveyardfox: I do believe the holidays are getting better. The ice caves and the plot of the Halloween event were cool.
Danger: that ending was super disappointing
Riyo: rose that doesn't change that participating in the event meant sitting here and pressing F5 a lot
Danger: all that build up for nothing
Requiem: NPC's should be more active characters, that would be fun c:
Hummingbird: the halloween plot was pretty cool to me ngl
Murgy: I'm surprised the F5 key on my old computer wasn't broken tbh
Hummingbird: the parts where xoria and xespa went on the sb
Pegasus: Xoria and Xespa were then they just kinda disappeared xD
Riyo: that was pretty fun but wasn't that like three years ago
ThornlessRose: I see that every positive thing I say is going to get shot down. :C You guys make it hard to see the good in a site, whenever all you want to talk about is the bad.
Graveyardfox: Riyo: That was last year.
Riyo: rose you're not really saying anything positive though
Murgy: Thornless, if we didn't see the good, we wouldn't still be here.
Hummingbird: we've been waiting for good
Hummingbird: for months
Shadly: Thorn, dont ya think the fact we've stuck around for this long is a good sign? C: I'm honestly not trying to be critical here, but that probably wasn't directed at me. XD <3
Danger: If we didn't see the good we wouldn't be actively giving suggestions
Avedori: Thats what I mean, Thornless. If you dont agree with what Murgy and Russ are saying, you are gonna hear about it
Murgy: There's a bit of good. The art is cool. The HA's and pets are customizable.
Riyo: and why should we acknowledge the tiny little positive things when there's just so much vast endless nothing in comparison
Murgy: But there's not much substance onsite.
Riyo: it's not even oases in a desert. it's like puddles in a desert.
Dust: This is why I'm migrating to other pets sites
Florence: Guys I'm sure hearing that things are going to happen is better than being left hanging, no?
Hummingbird: sort of
Murgy: Can we just note also that there were more games in v1 than there are now
Aquari: Thorn i do like this site and there have been some pettey cool stuff on occasion but it is usually only during the holidays
Riyo: florence: yeah it's like reaching a puddle in a desert but the puddle is filled with bugs
Murgy: Flor, it kinda feels like we are left hanging after being told so long
Riyo: florence: but it's better than dying of dehydration i guess
Graveyardfox: Flor: Actually no. On another site I was on, we were teased with V2 for years then the owner shut the site down and ran off.
Graveyardfox: He told us V2 was coming just so we continued to support the site.
ThornlessRose: With how you guys are talking, I'm not really convinced why you are here? If you guys love this site, why are you dragging it down? I know you all are frustrated that there is a lack of things to do. And I can't tell you things that I know about
Graveyardfox: There was no development but we kept giving him money.
Dust: Like, I feel if the site was getting PO'd that F R was a major topic then try to out do the site! Not be a child and censor the word
ThornlessRose: what will changed, due to it may or may not be leaking material, and I don't want to lose my job over that. I'm sorry. x.x"
Riyo: Rose weren't you JUST telling me that no staff were saying "if you don't like it then leave?"
Riyo: How are WE dragging it down?
Riyo: We're trying to promote change to IMPROVE the site
Florence: I don't think Thorn meant it that way. ;A;
ThornlessRose: Riyo, Like Florence said, I didn't mean it like that.
Florence: I think she meant that all of us moping about lack of change is bringing the site down.
Riyo: If anyone is dragging the site down it's those who have the power to provide us with updates and features and fixes, and who are not doing so
Avedori: This is the wrong way to "promote change" Every time someone says anything slightly contradictory to what your views are, you bash them down. Even staff are feeling sad.
Dust: If F R is getting on Pat's nerves he should be like Well that can I do to make this site better then that one ! No just be like nana poo poo *censor*
Murgy: We're not bashing staff.
Murgy: That's a harsh word.
Murgy: We're just pointing out why we are as upset as we are.
Pegasus: I feel like.. everything that contradicts is a bad thing
Riyo: Avedori: then by that logic, bashing us for "asking for change the wrong way" is also the wrong way to fix things
TheSituation: Theres a difference between promoting change and ranting for no reason on the SB.
Murgy: "for no reason"
Avedori: I didn't bash, I just suggested this was the wrong way to go about things.
Murgy: We have a reason.
ThornlessRose: Yes, like Avedori said. The best way to get your voice heard is to make forum about it on suggestions forum. Things will not change based on what is said on the shoutbox
Riyo: Avedori: tell us, then, how should we try to fix the site?
TheSituation: What is it, Murgy?
Riyo: And now we're being told to stop talking about it in the shoutbox again
TheSituation: Cause im missing it
Riyo: SIGH
Danger: Changing the subject, again is not going to help us as a pet site work.
Murgy: Have you been here, have you seen this entire conversation?
ThornlessRose: I did NOT just tell you to take it off of the shoutbox, Riyo.
Murgy: The reason is because we're not seeing anything productive done for gameplay on this website
Murgy: that is the reason
Salt: We can't fix this site because we're nobodies man.
Danger: Changing the subject again is not going to help anything
Florence: Guys, it's because the shoutbox is not an effective way to get a point across.
ThornlessRose: I said it was better in a forum. There is no where in that message where I said to take it off the shoutbox.
Florence: Not everyone has access to it. Forums are there forever, basically.
Murgy: Okay so the SB isn't as permanent as the forums.
Riyo: it was heavily implied
Salt: We were merely discussing the topic before this.
Murgy: We were, Salt, you're right.
Murgy: It's turned into a huge argument.
Graveyardfox: I think that if enough people are angry in the SB, things will be paid attention to. If people are rioting in a bathroom, it's still going to get attention.
Avedori: Unless Patrick himself is in a conversation in the shoutbox, what do you think all this ranting is going to help exactly?
Hummingbird: We don't get feedback when we go to crowflux's thread.
Riyo: and literally every time i've seen people talking about rescreatu issues, we're told to take it to the forums
Murgy: And nobody was ever "ranting." If we wanted to "rant" we would have taken it to a more permanent place, with longer than 3-line messages.
ThornlessRose: All I see here is this huge argument about things that need to get done, and I can't even wrap my head around everything that you all want said.
Graveyardfox: Although of course it's what I've been expecting of Res for ages.
Shadly: I dont think they came in here expecting everything to change with what they say in here XD
Hummingbird: Arguing and discussing here
Florence: It's not like there's a coder here writing all the stuff down that we want.
Hummingbird: gives it more publicity than on forums.
Hummingbird: It SHOWS how unhappy we are.
Salt: There are more troublesome topics we could be going on about tbh.
Graveyardfox: Exactly what Russ is saying.
Hummingbird: In forums you can choose whether or not you want to see how upset the users are.
Pegasus: How many coders does Res have?
Florence: But you can just as easily show how displeased you are in the forums.
Salt: there's patrick.
ThornlessRose: I have told them that the shoutbox is upset. But if you make a forum about what you want, lay out everything that is broken, laying out ways to fix it
Murgy: Let's just note that as Salt said earlier this didn't start as an argument.
ThornlessRose: Can't you see that that is much more helpful than this mess? x.x"
Murgy: We were discussing our opinions.
Graveyardfox: Flor: Yeah, where we can easily be ignored and contained to one thread where many people don't even look.
Pegasus: Thorn there are threads though..
Murgy: Thornless, I've expressed my thoughts on the forums. That doesn't mean I want to stop talking about it there.
Avedori: How about, if a forum were made, discussing all this, and instead of yelling about it in the shoutbox, you post a link to the forum as much as you are allowed? People are bound to go read it, and be able to comprehend it, especially staff
Florence: I'm sure people look at the forums. Why would they make it if nobody would listen?
Riyo: Can you tell us how many coders Res has?
Pegasus: There's Patrick.. but why haven't more coders been hired as yet
Graveyardfox: Flor: To make us think we matter and that they're listening?
Danger: Because it's honestly not advertised enough.
Hummingbird: Because of the drama with Shea
Salt: We just want to discuss this topic openly with willing parties that's it. No one's formulated anything to make a thread post yet so this is just brainstorming if I have to put it that way.
Florence: I'm sure they don't want our opinions to fall on deaf ears, but it's basically what we're doing here.
Danger: Everyone's consistently linking to the Happy Loving Everyone thread
Danger: I haven't seen anyone consistently link to the Make Your Voice Heard!
Pegasus: Shea has come and gone. America has tons of coders
Murgy: Same Danger.
Riyo: Attention: In order to avoid our arguments falling on deaf ears I'll be copy/pasting this discussion into the suggestions forum :)))
Hummingbird: I don't think you realize the drama with shea
Hummingbird: the full scope
Riyo: So stop telling us to stop talking about it in the shoutbox, PLEASE AND THANK YOU
Pegasus: I read about it
Pegasus: But the coders don't have to play or even care about Res
Pegasus: They just have to do their job and code
Florence: Okay, I never said to stop talking about it on the shoutbox. ;A; All I said was it's not worth your time.
Avedori: *cuddles with Flor*
Riyo: I would appreciate not being told that anymore Florence
Murgy: It's worth our time if staff is present.
Riyo: It's really disheartening
Avedori: Flor is allowed to say whatever she likes, just as you are Riyo
Florence: Neither did Thorn. All we're trying to say is you can't expect everything to happen with a snap of a finger.
Murgy: We're not, Flor.
Riyo: And I'm saying please stop saying that to us
Graveyardfox: Yeah. Shea gives me stress dreams so can we not? xD
Danger: At this point in time
Murgy: Again, we've waited years for some sort of literal, forward progress onsite.
Danger: It's not even a snap of a finger
Florence: And I know, you guys aren't expecting that to happen, but the way you are talking about it makes it seem so.
Danger: It's more like a huge 3 year line
Riyo: I'm saying that we ALL KNOW that we're wasting our time and that nothing is going to happen
Hummingbird: No but the thing is Chex
Hummingbird: We are AFRAID to
ThornlessRose: Why, Russ?
Hummingbird: because people have been censored numerous times about this
Graveyardfox: Broken smacked me down the last time I complained about awful staff behavior.
Hummingbird: and in some cases banned
Graveyardfox: And later that same behavior caused a huge mess.
Riyo: That seems to be the pattern Loki :/
Fizzeh: I smell revolution good fellows
ThornlessRose: Users are never banned for their opinions or for complaining about staff members.
Riyo: it's been going on since I joined the site
Danger: Of course they aren't
Hummingbird: Not officially.
Riyo: Being critical of staff behavior has CONSISTENTLY gotten users in trouble
Danger: They're banned for obscure reasons
Danger: like abusing a glitch
Riyo: See: when I called out Teppy for his nonsense
Hummingbird: They're banned for trolling or MAing or such
Murgy: I respect the staff for not up and quitting on the spot because even as a part of this I agree it got ridiculous after a while
Danger: yeah man :T
Murgy: But it got ridiculous for a reason
Pegasus: Did you do it respectfully?
Murgy: there I said it
Murgy: I'm done
Florence: It's because the first rule is be respectful towards others.
Graveyardfox: I was temp banned for something I didn't do. It was facinatingly rediculous.
Riyo: I'm not talking to you anymore Pegasus
Danger: Please don't talk about that first rule
Danger: I could give a sermon on staff hypocrisy on that first rule
Riyo: Flor: that rule seems to exempt staff
Danger: I could give a sermon on everyone's hypocrisy on that rule
Pegasus: Why Riyo?
Pegasus: It's a yes or no question
Murgy: Ave, did you ever get my rmail back?
Florence: Honestly I've never seen a staff member be disrespectful
Fizzeh: Doing it respectfully doesn't always work
Hummingbird: I've seen quite a few.
Pegasus: The only thing I'll say is "okay" and leave it at that.
Riyo: Because I don't like your tone Pegasus
FairyTailpsycho: flo...me neither.
Danger: I'm not even going to start
Riyo: I'm not talking to you anymore, end of story
Murgy: Pegasus you have no right to demand answers from other users
Hummingbird: some on-site
Pegasus: Riyo.. it's text you can't hear my tone
Danger: Actually, on site too
Riyo: Flornce: Well, I'm surprised you haven't, but I have, MANY times
Murgy: THAT is disrespectful
Riyo: Bye Pegasus :)
Pegasus: Bye Riyo
Riyo: I've been harassed by a staff member because of my gender on this site
Hummingbird: Remember my poetry thread, guys?
Murgy: Sure do Russ
lolpandaftw: I don't think that anyone was being unreasonable with what they were saying, everything just got a bit out of hand, but it wasn't anyone's fault.
Florence: I'm sure if staff were being disrespectful and were caught doing so, then appropriate action would be taken.
Hummingbird: Frank harassed someone because they were ftm transgender.
Danger: I remember your thread about that yellow wedding dress
Fizzeh: The vast majority of staff try to do their best. The problem is that user who are polite about their concerns are not seen as a threat and therefore can be safely ignored because they won't cause a ruckus.
Hummingbird: Broken censored out part of a poem.
ThornlessRose: Florence is correct.
Florence: But if you say them being innappropriate, report it and take a screenshot?
Hummingbird: And while I agree because I didn't even think of it.
Hummingbird: No notice at all.
Hummingbird: Someone else told me about it.
RP45: i really dont believe frank would do that
Riyo: I've been told by a staff member that my polite, constructive suggestions were not going to be looked at because in the past I have spoken badly about Patrick
Fizzeh: So the reason that people end up getting very irate is because being nice and respectful doesn't work.
Florence: Okay I honestly don't think complaining about things that have already happened is going to change anything.
Graveyardfox: Everyone's spoken bad about patrick. Staff has spoken bad about patrick.
Fizzeh: I quit staff because I felt that over 3 years my concerns were not listened to being nice. And so I ended up so angry that I quit to try and prove a point. lol
Fizzeh: Sadly I just ended up getting my name smushed into the dirt because of it.
Fizzeh: But that's not to say that the vast majority of staff try their best.
Fizzeh: Just a select few don't allow the changes to happen that the users want.
Florence: But if you are going, "Wow the staff user Bob is so disrespectful they make me uncomfortable." you're sort of breaking rule one.
Fizzeh: I'm sorry but I don't agree that saying staff makes you uncomfortable is against any rules at all.
Riyo: Florence how is rule 1 supposed to be enforced if we can't point out people who break it without breaking it???
Fizzeh: That's like saying hey you're not allowed to say anything bad about your boss even if they treat you horribly or you'll get thrown out.
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